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щото група 2 нямат мераци да се пънат за ачийвмънти... а и да се събере трета група за Накс, ще е сбирнщайн и няма как да е лидерствана от Шийена... 
ама ще е на копи/пейст, щото нищо не разбирам от ловджийство, а и са отпреди 1 година... Jurai wrote:Survival and Marksmanship
I usually go with AS - SS - ARC - AS - SS - AS - SS - MS - AS - SS - AS - SS - ARC - AS - SS - AS - SS - MS - AS - SS, etc ( i think .. need to double check this as i haven't slept while writing this and brain is fucked ..). I try to fit in Arcane shot(ARC) and Multi-Shot(MS) wherever there is time without delaying Auto Shot(AS). This uses all the abilities which might be mana heavy for newly specced Survival hunters, but it is the rotation that deals out the best damage , if you time your shoots right. If you still want to use this rotation but can't find the mana for it, use a lower rank of MS and you should be fine on the mana issue.
A little less mana heavy rotation would be AS - SS - ARC - AS - SS - AS - SS - AS - SS - ARC - AS - SS etc.
Basically the same as the one above just that you leave MS out. It costs less mana, but will also take away the damage from MS.
The least mana heavy rotation is the normal AS - SS - AS - SS spam. This is the rotation you would use if you are low on mana and are forced to use Aspect of the Viper(AotV). I also tend to use this alongside rapid fire + trinket, merely because i find it can be very efficient as well as pumping out enough dps (also helps me to keep EW up a lot during this time with fast shots + a lot of crits as a SV hunter).
Beast Mastery
As a BM hunter, the only skills you're really going to use effectively are autoshot, steady shot, and scorpid sting. These 3 are the only ones you need to limit yourself to and still do great. However, every encounter involves something other than just standing still and doing dps. If you have to move, you should use arcane/multi shot, since they can be used while moving. There are always different kinds of situations that will allow you to still use them regularly. The most common one is where you perhaps missed your steady shot round, since they will could often occur frequently. Mana wise you shouldn't have a problem at all.
Blah blah, lets compare shot rotations
от темата за гиър и статс (отново да напомня, че поста е отпреди година и касае герои 70 лвл):Bore wrote:Bleh Jurai your SV rotations suck! I know that you have typed them wrong though since you know better than to only fit in a MS or ARC in between your AS...
So your:
AS - SS - AS - SS - AS - ARC - AS - MS - AS - SS - AS - ARC - AS
Should prolly be more along the lines of:
AS - SS - ARC - AS - SS - AS - SS - MS - AS - SS - AS - SS - ARC - AS - SS - AS - SS - MS - AS - SS
repeat over and over and over
This is also what you do as MM, with even more focus on the MS since you get the added crit% from that.
Key thing is to not clip your auto shots in your rotations.
As for BM they only thing you need to worry about clicking like a million times a second is your macro button that goes like:
#showtooltip Steady Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Hide()
/castsequence reset=3 Steady Shot, Auto Shot
/cast [exists, target=pettarget] Kill Command
Just copy and paste that into your macro screen and your good to go.
Jurai wrote:Depending on the type of spec you choose (BM, MM or SV), the stats for your hunter or the stats that you should aim for can vary.
Hit rating
Many people seem to underestimate this stat but hit rating is one, if not the most important stat that you need to get until you reach the hit rating cap against lvl73 elites (bosses). Depending on your class or race, this hit rating cap can vary:
Hunters without any racial bonuses or talent bonuses require: 142 hit rating
SV Hunters with surefooted talent need: 95 hit rating
Draenai hunters without any racial bonuses or talent bonuses require: 127 rating or 79 hit rating with the surefooted talent from the SV talent tree.
In total, hunters need 9% added chance to hit a boss in PvE. It is important to reach this cap before raising the other stats in your gear as shots missing = 0 dps at all from that shot and also wasted ammo, and you'll find that the shots your missing will cut down your dps significantly.
RAP, Agility, Crit Rating and Mp5
Different specs tend to rely on certain specs in order to improve their dps; survival hunters chose agility and crit rating, MM hunters favour RAP while BM tend to keep a balance between RAP and crit rating. For MM and SV hunters, the reason they favour these stats is due to certain talents in their talent trees which can significantly enhance the potential of that spec, however due to these talents, the stats can differ from spec to spec.
Survival Hunters
There are a few talents in the survival tree that significantly enchance certain stats to this spec, also allowing it to excel at the role it plays in a raid. These talents are Survival Instincts (Increases attack power by 4%) and more importantly Lightning Reflexes (increases your agility by 15%). Due to expose weakness, SV hunters have a dire need to stack a lot of agility and a lot of crit in order to apply expose weakness, so the lightning reflexes talent significantly helps here, but it also means that the agility stat gives different figures for this spec:
1 ag = 1 Ap and 0.025% crit (Add in Lightning Reflexes 15% extra agility)
1 ag = 1.15 ag = 1.15 Ap and 0.0288% crit (Add in Blessing of Kings 10% extra agility since we are in PvE)
1 ag = 1.265 ag = 1.265 Ap and 0.0316% crit. (Add in Survival Instincts 4% extra ap)
1 ag = 1.265 ag = 1.3156 Ap and 0.0316% crit.
If EW is procced 1 ag = 1.265 ag = 1.6318 Ap and 0.0316% crit.
So you get over 1.5 Ap per agility if you are Survival and got EW procced.
Due to the need to keep EW up at all times and also for EW to provide enough AP to the classes that benefit from it, a lot of crit and agility is required. I would recommend a minimum of at least 600-650 agility (before applying lightning reflexes) equating to about 800agility fully raid buffed as well as 40% crit minimum before speccing SV. Another thing to note is that it is quite pointless to have more than 1 SV hunter in any one raid as EW does not stack with other hunter's EW, whereas BM's ferocious inspiration can stack with other BM hunter's and also MM's TSA buff (also able to put BMand MM hunter's in different groups to share buff with more ppl).
Marksmanship
Will write more on this when i read up more on statsBore wrote:For MM
If you have a base dps of above 300 start stacking +crit, it scales a lot better than adding more Attack Power. (After you have reached the +hit cap) There is shitloads of math done around the specific numbers which I won't go into but just check your character sheet and if you've reached +300 base dps go for crit or atleast stuff that adds to your crit, like +Agi gems and Agi enchants.
Beast Mastery
I'll admit that i've never specced BM before, so my knowledge of this spec is a little shady but imo BM hunters do not need to stack any particular stat due to them not having talents that enhance a particular stat such as MM or SV hunters. Personally I find that having a little more crit earlier on, without neglecting too little RAP can be most beneficial; gearing up with a nice balance between RAP and crit seems to be the way to go though. (Will write here more once i have pestered Bore / read up more
All of these specs (although i suppose more SV and MM hunters) require a decent amount of intellect, so do be careful not to neglect too much of it. Due to the buffs to AotV, i don't think hunters need to aim towards getting gear with Mp5 much anymore, although a little doesn't hurt if its there.Bore wrote:For BM
I must admit I suck at theory craft for BM.. However there seems to be a golden rule of having around 25% crit, after that go for stacking more RAP since that will add to your pets AP where as your crit will not.
With 25% crit your pet will basically have a full focus bar all the time more or less (if you have speced correctly and have the Go for the throat talent).
Enchants
Helm: 34 ap 16 hit rating from Cenarion Expedition Revered (costs 85 when exalted i think)
Shoulders: If you're Scryer 15 crit rating 20 ap. If you're Aldor 10 crit rating 30 ap (down to personal prefence / benefits to you or your proffesions as both of these are decent).
Cloak: 12 Agility
Chest: +6 all stats (Personally i think 6mp5 isn't needed anymore with AotV buffs)
Bracers: 24 ap
Gloves: 15 Agility.
Legs: 50 ap 12 crit rating/40ap 10 crit rating.
Boots: 12 Agility
Rings: (enchanters only): 4 all stats.
2-Handed weapon: 70 AP if you think you got enough crit (around 30% as MM or BM) or 35 agility if you need crit or are specced Surv.
1-Handed weapons: 20 Agility (or 30 Intellect if you're lacking some mana or specced right as MM, although agi works too).
Ranged weapon: 28 Crit rating scope.
Gems
These are the ones I think are the best for a hunter are:
[item]Shadowsong Amethyst[/item] gem counts as Blue and Red:
[item]Shifting Shadowsong Amethyst[/item]
[item]Infused Shadowsong Amethyst[/item]
[item]Crimson Spinel[/item] gem counts as Red:
[item]Delicate Crimson Spinel[/item]
[item]Lionseye[/item] gem counts as Yellow:
[item]Smooth Lionseye[/item]
[item]Pyrestone[/item] gem counts as Yellow and Red:
[item]Glinting Pyrestone[/item]
[item]Seaspray Emerald[/item] counts as Yellow and Blue:
[item]Jagged Seaspray Emerald[/item]
Also, the only meta gem that a hunter should consider getting is the [item]Relentless Earthstorm Diamond[/item], as it tends to out perform the other gems by quite a long shot.
In my opinion, all specs will find that they benefit from 10AGI gems as apposed to AP gems (in red sockets, though often socket bonuses are not worthwhile) as although agility doesn't add to your pet's attack power, you'll find that crit is extremely important for keeping up FI via GftT.
The other gem colours vary on spec: if you're a survival hunter and need two blue gems for the meta requirement, [item]Shifting Shadowsong Amethyst[/item] is by far the best choice.
If you're a BM hunter, [item]Jagged Seaspray Emerald[/item] is generally the best choice, as crit is an important stat (and you'll also find that you get more ap from gear than you do crit). If you severely lack AP, then [item]Infused Shadowsong Amethyst[/item] can also be used.
For yellow sockets; survivial hunters will find that the majority of sockets except 2 for yellow and 2 for blue (meta gem) are filled with pure red 10 AGI gems. The best gem to go for by far (considering you're hit capped) is the [item]Smooth Lionseye[/item] to boost your crit even further. However, especially as you go further into T6, there is a severe lack of hit rating particulary in SV hunter's gear, so [item]Glinting Pyrestone[/item] can be very useful if hit is not capped.
If you're a BM hunter, you'll find that you'll have already achieved the meta gem requirements as you'll most probably have a lot of [item]Glinting Pyrestone[/item] gems in your gear. If you find that you really need to boost your crit more and you're hit capped, [item]Smooth Lionseye[/item] can also be used.
Consumables
There are a number of consumables that can be used to additionally boost our potential in raids, however the best choice of foods differs from spec to spec.
SV hunters should be using [item]Elixir of Major Agility[/item] with [item]Elixir of Major Mageblood[/item] and [item]Warp Burger[/item] or [item]Grilled Mudfish[/item].
MM hunters could use either [item]Elixir of Major Agility[/item] with [item]Elixir of Major Mageblood[/item] or [item]Flask of Relentless Assault[/item] with either a [item]Ravager Dog[/item], [item]Warp Burger[/item] or [item]Grilled Mudfish[/item].
BM hunters should be using [item]Flask of Relentless Assault[/item] with either [item]Ravager Dog[/item], [item]Warp Burger[/item] or [item]Grilled Mudfish[/item].
At the moment I am able to make all of those elixir and flasks that i mentioned, as well as being an elixir master giving a chance to proc more than one, so just send the mats to me if you'd like. I'm sure there are plenty of capable chefs in the guild that can make at least two of the foods, if not all three
Hunters should also be using [item]Superior Mana Oil[/item] along with plenty of [item]Super Mana Potion[/item]/[item]Super Healing Potion[/item]/[item]Fel Mana Potion[/item].
Other items such as [item]Demonic Rune[/item] (does not share the same cd as pots, but beware the timing of using such items in raid encounters due to the sacrificing of health required) or [item]Flame cap[/item] can also be beneficial in times when maximum dps is needed (e.g. First 1min of nuking hydross before adds appear).
Useful Links
Here are a few links that I find to be very useful for hunters, whether it be researching new or current specs, or looking at which pet suits you the best:
Aym's Comprehensive All-In-One Hunter Guide - Useful guide to hunters in general, I recommend all hunters read this for information on all specs, as well as some information you may have not known before.
Petopia - Very large, and useful, compilation of pets. The best site to go to for any queries about which pet to use, where to get it and the required pet abilities.
Note - will add more info on MM and BM specs
и за талантите и билдовете:Bore wrote:I'll try and add what little I know.
For MM
If you have a base dps of above 300 start stacking +crit, it scales a lot better than adding more Attack Power. (After you have reached the +hit cap) There is shitloads of math done around the specific numbers which I won't go into but just check your character sheet and if you've reached +300 base dps go for crit or atleast stuff that adds to your crit, like +Agi gems and Agi enchants.
For BM
I must admit I suck at theory craft for BM.. However there seems to be a golden rule of having around 25% crit, after that go for stacking more RAP since that will add to your pets AP where as your crit will not.
With 25% crit your pet will basically have a full focus bar all the time more or less (if you have speced correctly and have the Go for the throat talent).
Jurai wrote:There are a few different builds that are generally thought of as 'accepted' talents builds with hunters. One thing I would like to note is that all three talent trees can all provide large benefits to PvE, whereas many other classes in the game have specific specs that work only for PvP or PvE.
I'll comment on what I know from SV, MM and BM talent trees, although i'm sure other hunters will have their own ideas on talents trees, so feel free to comment here too.
Survival
Due to the need to keep EW up at all times and also for EW to provide enough AP to the classes that benefit from it, a lot of crit and agility is required. I would recommend a minimum of at least 600-650 agility (before applying lightning reflexes) equating to about 800agility fully raid buffed as well as 40% crit minimum before speccing SV. Another thing to note is that it is quite pointless to have more than 1 SV hunter in any one raid as EW does not stack with other hunter's EW, whereas BM's ferocious inspiration can stack with other BM hunter's and also MM's TSA buff (also able to put BMand MM hunter's in different groups to share buff with more ppl).
00/20/41
A good all-round survival spec build, which can be useful for pulling (double MD with readiness) as well as pulling off rapid fire x2 at the start of a fight. This allows a good balance between the hunter's dps (with talents such as efficieny) as well as provided a good amount of buffs to the raid from EW. You require a minimum of 40% fully buffed crit for this spec with only 2/3 EW or 2/3 Thrill of the Hunt. Also, master tactician procs quite a fair amount (unsure to the actual %) but having 55-60% crit fully buffed can be very nice for dps and keeping up EW
06/20/35
This is the highest dps spec for a SV hunter. With the talents into Imp AotH and FF, this allows the hunter to pump out more dps, while sacrificing master tactician and readiness; although not essential, they can be very helpful with keeping EW up as well as gaining mana back from thrill of the hunt. I would recommend this spec when the SV hunter's gear has improved significantly since the precious spec (MH/BT level gear i'd say), so that the hunter has enough crit/agi in order to keep EW up while still pumping out some nice dps.
Marksmanship
IMO there can be many variables with this talent tree on how many points to spend in other talent trees. I believe that these are the strongest specs for an MM hunter in a PvE environment:
7/49/5
This is a basic MM spec, but it can be changed in places for variety, depending on the player's preference. Dipping into the early talents of BM, imp AotH and FF can be quite a large damage booster for only 7 points in BM and Hawk Eye in SV can be useful to maximise the distance from your target. In the MM tree, there are a few changes that can be made depending on the player's preference, such as Imp stings, however imo that is more of a PvP based talent, where stings such as viper sting play a more important role.
Beast Mastery
As far as I know there is only 1 viable BM spec:
41/20/00
This is the only viable spec around for BM as whatever you do, as you have to go at least 20points into MM for mortal shots (making you 1 point short of getting all the decent dps talents in the BM tree) and i think this spec covers the most important points in BM in order to maximise raid potential in a PvE environment, providing the highest dps a BM hunter can pump out (ofc there is the skill of the player to add too
Improved Hunter's Mark not only boosts the melee dps's dmg output, but also your pet's, so chose this over efficiency (not really needed for AS-SS spamage).
If you disagree with any of my specs or have any of your own specs to add please feel free to do so ^^
Bore wrote:http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/cla ... 0000000000
Could you now weave one special in between every SS-AS? It will most likely result in some clipping of your auto shots.
Shot rotation could go:
AS-SS-ARC-AS-SS-MULTI-AS-SS-CHIMERA-rinse repeat over and over and over and...
ARC has 6sec cd
Multi and Chim has 10sec
Seems to work though I guess it has gotta be tested, and having in this case serpent sting up all the time to make the chimera as viable as possible will prolly prey on the maximum amount of debuffs...
And with the TSA changes coming up it may be good fun to go MM.
Thaloc wrote:so here it is guys:
#showtooltip Steady Shot
/cast !Auto Shot
/cast [target=pettarget] Kill Command
/cast [target=pettarget] Lightning Breath
/cast Steady Shot
/script UIErrorFrame: Clear ()
here you can read about the macro: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.htm ... 4493&sid=1
basically you just need to spam this macro. enjoy :p
Докат си чакам тикета да отговорат ше се драпа орда малко. Ако некви алиански педали спрат да тарашат из crossroads заради залухавия елдър ше е доста по-лесно. 
а през деня ужасно ми се играе и правя планове за вечерта, които сама ги провалям като се прибера... може просто да съм преуморена... баси. И на сичкото отгоре ме outroll-наха за дрейка от 5я бос с 2 
Тиър 8 или "с какво заслужихме това". Прийста е робо-нинджа, а магето.... горката Таис:) 
Или това е намек, че нинджосват айтеми? Не вярвах, че ще стигна далеч, ама след като (макар и с клизма) пребих двата бог-лорда преди първия бос, нямаше какво да ме спре. Избягвах пак-овете където можеше, босовете също и направо се натресох на последния. Кастър нещастен, дори не се наложи ЛоХ да пускам. Епичен луут И един ачийвмънт в повече. 
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