Why science fiction authors just can't win

Литературни критики и възхвали. Всичко, което винаги сте искали да знаете за Даниел Стийл и Нора Робъртс, а ви е било срам да попитате :р
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Why science fiction authors just can't win

Post by Roland » Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:23 am

Пействам тук директно статията на John Howell в sffmedia.com. Ето го и оригиналният линк:

http://sffmedia.com/books/science-ficti ... t-win.html

Мен този материал освен дето ми напомпа яда към литературните сноби, отново ми напомни защо никога няма да прочета нищо, писано от Маргарет Атууд...



Science fiction authors have long been outcasts from the literary world, in some cases critics using the worst examples of the genre as ammunition against it. Unfortunately though, at times even science fiction authors themselves can turn on their own kind: "Science fiction is rockets, chemicals and talking squids in outer space,” mocked Margaret Atwood (The Guardian, 28 January 2009), one of her many attempts to convince people that she is not a science fiction author, even though one of her most famous novels, A Handmaid's Tale, is exactly that.
More recently, in an article in the New York Times (4 October, 2009) publicising her new novel The Year of the Flood, Atwood declared that her dystopian novels are not science fiction. The article described The Year of the Flood as a novel set in “a violent future society created by a man-made plague" with "genetically-engineered humans and animals amid a ruined environment”, which sounds a lot like science fiction to me.

Taking even the narrowest definitions of science fiction, I’d suggest Atwood would have trouble arguing that some of her novels are not part of the genre. Apparently though, as long as you persist, you can convince the established order that your heart and mind is in the right place. Just keep insisting that everything science fiction is tacky, silly and sad and ridicule its creators at every opportunity. Disown the genre as emphatically and publicly as possible. As a writer there are tremendous advantages to avoiding the label science fiction, and Margret Atwood has successfully done that throughout her career and gained literary credibility in exchange.

In her defence, Atwood's apparent fear that once the label "science fiction" is attached to a novel the literary establishment will treat it differently seems well founded.

"I am going to stick my neck out and just say it," begins Sven Birkerts' review of Atwood's science fiction novel, the Oryx and Crake, "science fiction will never be Literature with a capital 'L'" (New York Times, 18 May, 2003).

In a letter to The Times, Brian Aldiss, one of the grand masters of science fiction, responded to Margaret Atwood’s stance and claims that some of her novels are not science fiction:

“Her life would have been more difficult had she not cleverly denied that her early science fiction novels, such as A Handmaid’s Tale, were science fiction,” Aldiss wrote. “Had she neglected this strategy, there would have been for her no more literary festivals, no more reviews, no more appearances on BBC breakfast programmes.

Aldiss went on to write:

“It is a truth widely acknowledged that SF is not worth consideration by sane minds. Kurt Vonnegut and J. G. Ballard have adopted Atwood’s gambit. When Vonnegut grew tired of being a guru, he returned to SF and wrote such brilliant novels as Galápagos. No reviewer spoke its name. When — possibly because of my age — I was invited on Desert Island Discs this year, I was told that SF readers were nerds who were poor and could not 'get a woman'".

Considered by the literary establishment, and frequently by non SF award-giving institutions, to be trashy, pulpish, commercially driven lightweight gutter fiction (only a slight exaggeration, believe me), it’s no surprise that very few works of science fiction have won major literary awards. Recent notable exceptions include Cormac McCarthy winning the Pulitzer Prize for The Road (arguably science fiction), and Ray Bradbury receiving a special citation from the Pulitzer Board in the same year. On the whole though, the accolades are few and far between.

In an article about the death of science fiction author J.G. Ballard in the New York Times (April 21, 2009), Ballard’s American editor at Norton, Robert Weil, said “His fabulistic style led people to review his work as science fiction. But that’s like calling Brave New World science fiction, or 1984”

Apart from demonstrating that Robert Weil is amazingly silly, this quote highlights the problem: if you’re a famous writer in the literary world who writes a science fiction novel - and Huxley’s Brave New World and Orwell’s 1984 are clearly science fiction works - then you’re not writing science fiction as far as publishers and the literary establishment are concerned. Great literature can never be science fiction. When established “great” authors are writing it, it’s something else entirely. No wonder science fiction is always viewed as second rate. Anything good or even above average is simply reclassified.

On her website, science fiction and fantasy author Ursula Le Guin, responding to Robert Weil’s quote in the New York Times, beautifully sums up the science fiction/literary dilemma:

“It is shocking to find that an editor at the publishing house that had the wits to publish J.G. Ballard (as well as the Norton Book of Science Fiction) can be so ignorant of what Ballard wrote, or so uninformed about the nature and history of the science-fiction genre, or so unaware of the nature of literature since the 1980s, that he believes — now, in 2009! — that to say a writer wrote science fiction is to malign or degrade his work."

She continued by homing in on the hypocrisy of the literary world’s view:

“To define science fiction as a purely commercial category of fiction, inherently trashy, having nothing to do with literature, is a tall order. It involves both denying that any work of science fiction can have literary merit, and maintaining that any book of literary merit that uses the tropes of science fiction (such as Brave New World, or 1984, or A Handmaid’s Tale, or most of the works of J.G. Ballard) is not science fiction. This definition-by-negation leads to remarkable mental gymnastics. For instance, one must insist that certain works of dubious literary merit that use familiar science-fictional devices such as alternate history, or well-worn science-fiction plots such as Men-Crossing-the-Continent-After-the Holocaust, and are in every way definable as science fiction, are not science fiction — because their authors are known to be literary authors, and literary authors are incapable by definition of committing science fiction.”

Kim Stanley Robinson, author of the award winning (not “literary” awards obviously) Mars novels recently hit out at the literary establishment, accusing the Man Booker judges of “ignorance” in neglecting science fiction, which he declared was “the best British literature of our time”.

In an essay in The New Scientist (16 September 2009), Robinson claimed that the Booker judges consistently rewarded “what usually turn out to be historical novels”.

“Speaking as an outsider from California and as a science fiction writer I see these very brilliant writers doing excellent work who are never in the running at all, for no reason except their genre and who their publishers are – the so-called club members. It just needs to be said. The Booker prize is so big, the way it shapes public consciousness of what is going on in British literature, but the avant garde, the leading edge, is being ignored or shut out of the process entirely.”

Interestingly, one of the Booker judges, James Naughtie, in an article in The Guardian (18 September, 2009), admitted that Robinson “may well have a point”, but suggested the publishers not the judges are to blame.

“We judge books that are submitted. The fact is that the science fiction component this year was very, very thin. If it is the best contemporary fiction in this country then most publishers haven’t yet tumbled to the fact."

Another judge, John Mullan, a professor of English at University College London, was quoted in the same article as saying that he “was not aware of science fiction”. He argued that science fiction has become a “self-enclosed world”.

"When I was 18 it was a genre as accepted as other genres,” he said, but recently “it is in a special room in book shops, bought by a special kind of person who has special weird things they go to and meet each other.”

This quote makes no sense, especially the bit about "special weird things", but it demonstrates clearly that James Naughtie's claim that the "publishers are to blame" is only part of the problem. If this is how a Booker Prize judge views science fiction readers, how can anyone be surprised if publishers don't submit science fiction works or that when they do they fail to even make the long list, let alone the short?

What is he suggesting science fiction readers are doing in special rooms in book shops anyway? I've never come across any of these special rooms myself, nor have I been participating in "special weird things". Perhaps there's something I'm missing out on?

The article quotes Professor Mullan again later:

“We as judges depend a great deal on what publishers submit. There are certain kinds of genre fiction which get submitted – thrillers and detective books – which publishers think have literary quality, but this year I find it hard to think of any science fiction which was submitted.”

Of course this establishment snobbery and naivety is not confined to the literary world. In the world of films and television, judges are equally unforgiving regarding anything tainted with the label science fiction. There has never been a major science fiction film to win a best picture at the Academy Awards for example, and with television, too, excellent writing or productions are not science fiction, but something else entirely. David Langford, in his science fiction newsletter Ansible, has a regular section titled “As Others See Us”, which is always worth a look as it paints a clear picture of the naive, limited views publishers and the press have of science fiction. He recently reported that Torchwood director Euro Lyn, claimed that the third series Torchwood: Children of Earth, “reaches out beyond the sci-fi genre. It’s a human story of epic proportions.” Of course, epic human stories would never be a part of science fiction, would they?

Earlier, Langford quoted from a revealing review of Battlestar Galactica on Mlive.com:

“Battlestar Galactica prominently features evil robots, some of which are sexy… Yes, there are numerous rousing space battles. And yes, there are enough discussions of airlocks and jump coordinates and FTL drives that mentioning the show in public will get you made fun of by at least one person within earshot. But, other than providing yet another warning about why not to create artificial intelligence, it’s not really a science fiction show.”

Presumably it’s not a science fiction show Langford responded in Ansible, “Because it’s good”.

For a genre that produces some of the most intelligent, thought provoking, creatively challenging works imaginable, it’s hard to understand how they could be overlooked so aggressively and consistently for so long. Frank Herbert's Dune, Ursula Le Guin's The Dispossessed, Stanislaw Lem's Solaris, John Brunner's The Sheep Look Up, the list of worthy possibilities is endless. Philip K. Dick is one of the few authors who occasionally crosses the dividing line, and appears consistently on university curriculum, especially in the US.

According to Jett Heer in Lingua Franca magazine (June 2001), literary theorist Fredric Jameson called Dick "the Shakespeare of science fiction". Unfortunately though, Dick never returned the favour, with revelations that he wrote letters to the Federal Bureau of Investigation denouncing many of his academic supporters. Dick claimed that Jameson and other literary theorists were agents of a KGB conspiracy to take over American science fiction. Presumably though, Dick wasn’t in a clear and level headed mental state at the time.

Philip K. Dick is a notable exception in an otherwise long history of science fiction abuse by publishers, the press and sometimes even science fiction writers themselves. Is science fiction destined to remain drowning in the gutter, unappreciated by the so called "judges" and "arbiters" of great literature? Will science fiction authors ever escape the publication ghetto? If not, if the works of science fiction authors remain unrewarded and unloved by the literati, I'll happily remain in the gutter with SF readers and writers alike. The gutter is obviously the place to be.
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Post by Бобсън » Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:52 am

Тук
http://www.cheryl-morgan.com/?p=6046
пише за позицията на Ursula LeGuin по случая Atwood...

малко е вехто....
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Post by Demandred » Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:36 am

Любопитно е, че преди няколко години Atwood пише следната статия:

Aliens have taken the place of angel

и там в прав текст признава:
If you're writing about the future and you aren't doing forecast journalism, you'll probably be writing something people will call either science fiction or speculative fiction. I like to make a distinction between science fiction proper and speculative fiction. For me, the science fiction label belongs on books with things in them that we can't yet do, such as going through a wormhole in space to another universe; and speculative fiction means a work that employs the means already to hand, such as DNA identification and credit cards, and that takes place on Planet Earth. But the terms are fluid. Some use speculative fiction as an umbrella covering science fiction and all its hyphenated forms - science fiction fantasy, and so forth - and others choose the reverse.

I have written two works of science fiction or, if you prefer, speculative fiction: The Handmaid's Tale and Oryx and Crake.
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Post by Jen » Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:13 am

Харесва ми коментарът на Ле Гуин.


Ето и цитираната гневна статия на К. С. Робинсън за журито на Букър:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2 ... ?full=true

И тази на Адам Робъртс по същия повод:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/booksbl ... rts-booker

Струва ми се, че тия отдавнашни, сложни отношения напоследък се превръщат във все по-открит конфликт.
Забавно е как това се случва точно в момент, в който "литературните" автори все по-често търсят идеи от жанра.
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Post by Roland » Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:07 pm

Да, докато същевременно авторите от жанра скачат на детски книжки :(
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Post by Jen » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:34 pm

О, не, авторите от жанра стават все по-амбициозни и смели, според мен. Не че не е имало Дилейни преди 30 години да е амбициозен и смел за десетима, ама сега все повече събират самочувствие, че не им е мястото в литературното гето. Всичките тия престрелки по медиите може би ще имат добър ефект.
Ето, примерно Йейн М. Бенкс написа книга, която, доколкото разбирам, е по-скоро като за Йейн Бенкс, но си е оставил М.-то въпреки това.

Продължение на темата във връзка с Нобелите за литература:

http://scifiwire.com/2009/10/could-a-sc ... er-win.php

Направили са хубава селекция на фантастични автори, достойни за Нобелова награда. Не, че някой от тях има шанс някога да я спечели. С изключение на Пинчън, но той не се брои съвсем.
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Post by thorn » Fri Oct 09, 2009 5:11 pm

Аз също гледам по-оптимистично на нещата. Както каза Jen, това, че сф е малко встрани от погледа на „сериозната” критика я отваря за експерименти, не я ограничава до „модното” за момента, прави я малко edgy, малко недоволна, малко склонна да се доказва – с две думи определено я амбицира.

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Post by Roland » Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:56 pm

Jen, някакъв друг пример ше дадеш ли, освен Бенкс? Щото аз определено не я виждам тая смела тенденция.
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Post by Random » Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:42 pm

На мен веднага ми хрумва за Хал Дънкан и Джеф Вандермиър, както и кръга автори около него. Признавам, че от тях съм чел много малко, но пък определно са много амбициозни и смели. Определено се забелязва някаква осмоза между фантастиката и мейнстрийма, дали ще е за добро не се знае, но аз също съм оптимистично настроен. А, Рол, за детските книжки мисля, че си твърде афектиран заради последните творения на Гейман, аз не се сещам за други, които са забегнали от жанра :P

Може би след време Sf ще набере достатъчно лоби, за да поиска някоя от големите награди в литературния свят, но не мисля, че това е най-важното. На жанра му е почти част от дефиницията да е маргинален. Иначе няма как там да се раждат дръзките идеи, които са най-ценни. Важното според мен е да има постоянно развитие и да се търси по-новото и по-доброто, да не се тъпче по комерсиалните пътеки. А признание поне в някакво отношение аз виждам във все по-сериозната тенденция мейнстрийм авторите да черпят прийоми и сюжети от фантастичната традиция.
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Post by Roland » Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:06 pm

Чайна Миевил като напише нова НЕ-детска книга, ще го изключа от подозрение... За мен е показателен фактът, че 4 от 5-те книги, номинирани за Хюго тая година, бяха ЙА.
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Post by Demandred » Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:20 pm

Относно China Mieville...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_city_and_the_city

Не съм я чел още, но по всичко личи, че никак не е детска.

БТВ, един отговор на статията от първия пост, на който попаднах в нета:
http://nihilistic-kid.livejournal.com/1386509.html

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Post by Jen » Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:23 pm

Дънкан, Вандермиър и Миевил действително са първите, които идват на ум. The City and the City не е детска, но май е повече трилърова, отколкото фантастична \най-общо\. Джеф Вандермиър специално за мен е изключителен, той просто си е литературен.
Но не само те. Адам Робъртс примерно никога не е бил спряган за част от “смелата нова тенденция”, но ето, че за новата му книга Yellow Blue Tibia – някаква дълбоко сатирична, дистопична, сталинистка алтернативна история - отзивите са изключително добри.

А, сещам се сега и за нещо много интересно и показателно за добрата посока, която е поел жанрът. Описват The Magicians на Лев Гросман, който основно е журналист, като харипотърско, нарнийско фентъзи в основата си, съчетано с депресии, секс и самота и сблъсък между живота в магическия и немагическия свят - въобще, силно съм заинтригувана, изглежда ми наистина идейно.
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Post by Roland » Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:25 pm

Latinica alert!

Abe may neshto ne se razbrahme :) Qsno, che janryt se razviva chudesno, i az mnogo mu se kefq. Obache imah predvid razvitie v posoka ocenqvane ot kritikata.
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Post by Jen » Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:28 pm

E да, точно в оценяването и критиката е най-големият проблем.
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Post by Random » Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:04 pm

Чайна Миевил има една детска книга - Un Lun Dun, която все пак май си е доволно изчанчена и странна. Цар Плъх не знам дали спада към YA, по-скоро ми изглежда като да не. Трите му книги в Бас Лаг са толкова не-детски, че повече няма накъде, а за The City&the City горе се писа. Новата му пък ще се казва Kraken :) Той някъде беше казал, че иска да изпробва всякакви жанрови форми, но колкото и да експериментира, досега мисля, че не е избягал от ню уиърда.

На Адам Робъртс новия роман мисля и аз да го тествам, изглежда доста добре.
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